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Scarsdale Aikido
4 Gray Rock Rd
Scarsdale, NY 10583
914-574-6498
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4 Gray Rock Rd
Scarsdale, NY 10583
914-574-6498
For Email, see
Contact Us below
Sugano Sensei (excerpts from December 2000 interview)
What are the most important technical, mental and spiritual principles that students should observe in their practice?
The question is how to study the important things. Obviously it is very important to carefully observe what the teacher is showing, how the
teacher is applying technical points, so that's how one learns to carefully study what they're teaching. The basic principles are distance
and direction. With any technique, you need to know the clear distance and direction. Those you can apply to any technique in your
training. Without those, there are no techniques.
In general training, we are not really teaching or including the spiritual aspect, so the only thing you can do is just point out how to study,
how to carefully observe. Sometimes you describe your eyes, the gateway to your mind. The mind guides your body, so you should
carefully observe.
During general training we are not providing teaching of the spiritual aspect at all. Aikido training is based on the idea of a unique
harmony, so the system is supposed to be teaching that way.
It comes down to the point that it depends on how you practice: how you approach practice makes a difference. The technique itself is one
thing, obviously, you practice to kill someone or control someone, or defend yourself. That's a result, it's there, and it is a result of your
training. However, the only way to make something different is to change how you approach these objectives through your training.
You're aiming at applying the concept of harmony et cetera. Then the process of practice changes into sort of contemplation of your
moral spirit, it changes the direction of practice. The technical result won't change, but just how you approach the practice makes a
difference, so you can approach the practice as if you are just as martial artist, and learn to kill someone or defend yourself, or you can
apply the principle of harmony, etc.
Those processes cultivate your spirit and the moral sense, and so they have some kind of value in daily life. Then you're not just training
in the context that technique equals the use of these arts for killing, instead you're approaching it in different ways which cultivate different
things.
Technically the result won't change, but by following this way, probably you can evolve to a different purpose, I suppose. That's why you
don't overly concern yourself about the result of how you apply the technique. In that case you're just training in using a fighting
technique, you're only concerned with the result in terms of how strong you are, how to defend or kill, so you're training that way to start
with. But this way eventually contradicts O-Sensei's ideas. So when you're starting in Aikido, what makes a difference to how you
approach the practice.
General training is not really encouraging the spiritual aspect, but therefore it makes more important how you view your training, how you
approach the training, really, how you come to training every day. If you are just always thinking about how to throw someone, or how to
defend yourself, obviously you develop a certain attitude, or a certain mental process.
But if you're just purely coming to training to learn about harmonizing with others, obviously you develop good coordination of your body.
You have good coordination of your body even if you're not looking for it, and a technical efficiency is there. The way you are coming to
training depends very much on what you want to get out of Aikido, rather than the Aikido giving you something.
Again, it's difficult to say, but a high percentage students come to training very much for recreational purposes, ...that's as far as it goes. If
someone wants to study more deeply, that's another thing, but generally, people are coming to train just to have fun.
To understand how to approach the training, individuals have to find what they want to get out of Aikido. If you are looking at the strictly
martial aspect, that's the way you want to train, that's the way you train.
In most cases, in any technique or system, as long as you keep moving, it probably becomes technically more effective, rather than
becoming formalized or a kata.
If you continue, part of the training is not fixed. That's the way of training like O-Sensei, who made a break with the traditional idea of
martial arts. Most traditional ideas pretty much fix the kata forms. Even now people tend to think that this is martial, so training tends to
become more formalized or static rather than moving. O-Sensei broke with that idea by spontaneously moving, that's why he never fixed
them.
Ikkyo is there, but each time you do ikkyo it is not exactly the same, as opposed to the kata form which requires the technique to be this
particular way, with precision. A part of Aikido training is that each time it repeats not quite the same.
Individual students have to find what they want. That's why, probably, more students tend to see teaching as primarily the teacher giving
out information, rather then the student having to take information out. Then there is the issue that some teachers will say it has to be a
certain way, you must do it that way. Again, students are probably the same way; some students need to have clear, strict guidance in
order to follow; other students need to have more room.
It depends on how you do it, on both sides. In Aikido there are so many different things, that's why technically I very much more focus on
the study of distance and direction. As far as the details of the technique, how to do the technique, everybody has a preference or
someone does it this way, someone else does it a little bit differently. But no matter how you do a technique but you must have a concept
of distance and direction.
Can you say something about ukemi?
Ukemi at present is also affected by developing an idea of teaching something or developing a system to teach, as well as the student
also expecting to have instruction. That all has affected the idea of ukemi, and of how to do ukemi.
Originally there was no such system, just you attack, you get thrown, so you gradually develop the perception of how to do it, and you
have to be receptive. Ideally, if you start younger, you don't have to worry about it, it takes care of itself automatically whatever situations
come up. In that case there isn't a system or way to develop ukemi, it's just naturally there. But now some people are thinking more about
how to do ukemi in what situation. Already it is influenced by the idea or notion of teaching and getting instruction. Particularly with ukemi
you have to be receptive.
So again, ideally you're supposed to be younger so it's physically possible to take care of yourself if someone throws you or something. If
someone just starts training it's probably not the same as for the young ones. You're just training, so automatically your body becomes
more receptive to the movements. There's no need to have uke have to move this way or that way.
I think that's the way we first learned ukemi, if I can remember back that far.
Now, I don't know, people start talking about how to do ukemi. Even in Europe, in some groups they teach people to jump. They teach the
uke, for iriminage, jump forward. Ideally it should be you just train, and it just automatically takes care of itself. Ukemi is basically a
heightened perception and reaction of your body. Once you formalize it, it's already artificial.
One thing is that obviously you have to be able to roll backward and forward. The main idea for backward and forward rolling is to
condition your muscles because you're not used to such training. It gives you a certain exercise, and that gives the conditioning for
muscles, so forever you need to roll to maintain that conditioning, but that's the only reason you teach rolling backward and forward.
That's how your muscles get to know how to react, and your body is not used to moving in that way. Once you establish that into the body,
you roll forward or whatever, it's physically easy to take ukemi.
Hitting the mat isn't necessary, unless you really need it. Without knowing exactly why, people get the idea from judo. In judo they have
reason to slap the mat, that way they reduce the shock. But in Aikido's case, we use rotary movement to reduce the shock, so the two
approaches are different. But once you make habits, it's difficult to stop.
What are the most important technical, mental and spiritual principles that students should observe in their practice?
The question is how to study the important things. Obviously it is very important to carefully observe what the teacher is showing, how the
teacher is applying technical points, so that's how one learns to carefully study what they're teaching. The basic principles are distance
and direction. With any technique, you need to know the clear distance and direction. Those you can apply to any technique in your
training. Without those, there are no techniques.
In general training, we are not really teaching or including the spiritual aspect, so the only thing you can do is just point out how to study,
how to carefully observe. Sometimes you describe your eyes, the gateway to your mind. The mind guides your body, so you should
carefully observe.
During general training we are not providing teaching of the spiritual aspect at all. Aikido training is based on the idea of a unique
harmony, so the system is supposed to be teaching that way.
It comes down to the point that it depends on how you practice: how you approach practice makes a difference. The technique itself is one
thing, obviously, you practice to kill someone or control someone, or defend yourself. That's a result, it's there, and it is a result of your
training. However, the only way to make something different is to change how you approach these objectives through your training.
You're aiming at applying the concept of harmony et cetera. Then the process of practice changes into sort of contemplation of your
moral spirit, it changes the direction of practice. The technical result won't change, but just how you approach the practice makes a
difference, so you can approach the practice as if you are just as martial artist, and learn to kill someone or defend yourself, or you can
apply the principle of harmony, etc.
Those processes cultivate your spirit and the moral sense, and so they have some kind of value in daily life. Then you're not just training
in the context that technique equals the use of these arts for killing, instead you're approaching it in different ways which cultivate different
things.
Technically the result won't change, but by following this way, probably you can evolve to a different purpose, I suppose. That's why you
don't overly concern yourself about the result of how you apply the technique. In that case you're just training in using a fighting
technique, you're only concerned with the result in terms of how strong you are, how to defend or kill, so you're training that way to start
with. But this way eventually contradicts O-Sensei's ideas. So when you're starting in Aikido, what makes a difference to how you
approach the practice.
General training is not really encouraging the spiritual aspect, but therefore it makes more important how you view your training, how you
approach the training, really, how you come to training every day. If you are just always thinking about how to throw someone, or how to
defend yourself, obviously you develop a certain attitude, or a certain mental process.
But if you're just purely coming to training to learn about harmonizing with others, obviously you develop good coordination of your body.
You have good coordination of your body even if you're not looking for it, and a technical efficiency is there. The way you are coming to
training depends very much on what you want to get out of Aikido, rather than the Aikido giving you something.
Again, it's difficult to say, but a high percentage students come to training very much for recreational purposes, ...that's as far as it goes. If
someone wants to study more deeply, that's another thing, but generally, people are coming to train just to have fun.
To understand how to approach the training, individuals have to find what they want to get out of Aikido. If you are looking at the strictly
martial aspect, that's the way you want to train, that's the way you train.
In most cases, in any technique or system, as long as you keep moving, it probably becomes technically more effective, rather than
becoming formalized or a kata.
If you continue, part of the training is not fixed. That's the way of training like O-Sensei, who made a break with the traditional idea of
martial arts. Most traditional ideas pretty much fix the kata forms. Even now people tend to think that this is martial, so training tends to
become more formalized or static rather than moving. O-Sensei broke with that idea by spontaneously moving, that's why he never fixed
them.
Ikkyo is there, but each time you do ikkyo it is not exactly the same, as opposed to the kata form which requires the technique to be this
particular way, with precision. A part of Aikido training is that each time it repeats not quite the same.
Individual students have to find what they want. That's why, probably, more students tend to see teaching as primarily the teacher giving
out information, rather then the student having to take information out. Then there is the issue that some teachers will say it has to be a
certain way, you must do it that way. Again, students are probably the same way; some students need to have clear, strict guidance in
order to follow; other students need to have more room.
It depends on how you do it, on both sides. In Aikido there are so many different things, that's why technically I very much more focus on
the study of distance and direction. As far as the details of the technique, how to do the technique, everybody has a preference or
someone does it this way, someone else does it a little bit differently. But no matter how you do a technique but you must have a concept
of distance and direction.
Can you say something about ukemi?
Ukemi at present is also affected by developing an idea of teaching something or developing a system to teach, as well as the student
also expecting to have instruction. That all has affected the idea of ukemi, and of how to do ukemi.
Originally there was no such system, just you attack, you get thrown, so you gradually develop the perception of how to do it, and you
have to be receptive. Ideally, if you start younger, you don't have to worry about it, it takes care of itself automatically whatever situations
come up. In that case there isn't a system or way to develop ukemi, it's just naturally there. But now some people are thinking more about
how to do ukemi in what situation. Already it is influenced by the idea or notion of teaching and getting instruction. Particularly with ukemi
you have to be receptive.
So again, ideally you're supposed to be younger so it's physically possible to take care of yourself if someone throws you or something. If
someone just starts training it's probably not the same as for the young ones. You're just training, so automatically your body becomes
more receptive to the movements. There's no need to have uke have to move this way or that way.
I think that's the way we first learned ukemi, if I can remember back that far.
Now, I don't know, people start talking about how to do ukemi. Even in Europe, in some groups they teach people to jump. They teach the
uke, for iriminage, jump forward. Ideally it should be you just train, and it just automatically takes care of itself. Ukemi is basically a
heightened perception and reaction of your body. Once you formalize it, it's already artificial.
One thing is that obviously you have to be able to roll backward and forward. The main idea for backward and forward rolling is to
condition your muscles because you're not used to such training. It gives you a certain exercise, and that gives the conditioning for
muscles, so forever you need to roll to maintain that conditioning, but that's the only reason you teach rolling backward and forward.
That's how your muscles get to know how to react, and your body is not used to moving in that way. Once you establish that into the body,
you roll forward or whatever, it's physically easy to take ukemi.
Hitting the mat isn't necessary, unless you really need it. Without knowing exactly why, people get the idea from judo. In judo they have
reason to slap the mat, that way they reduce the shock. But in Aikido's case, we use rotary movement to reduce the shock, so the two
approaches are different. But once you make habits, it's difficult to stop.
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